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Post by Goblin King on Jan 16, 2006 10:44:38 GMT
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Post by Thrin on Jan 16, 2006 11:25:41 GMT
Hmmmm
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Post by barnyjuno on Jan 16, 2006 12:29:11 GMT
Yeah, right ... Not sure about this one. Well, it's not a cure-all certainly, but putting a brake on the amount of processed food children eat has a marked effect on attention span, accademic achievement and general behaviour. Speaking of which,GK, I may need to pick your brains about a family friend who's been put on The World's Favourite SSRI (to avoid it appearing as a banner ad!). I'm not a medic, but I was a little surprised at how quickly he went from an initial visit to the docs to be prescribed- particularly since he's only 16. I'll be in touch sometime if that's OK. |
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Post by Goblin King on Jan 16, 2006 13:24:15 GMT
Fair enough, but generation of schizos from too many saturated fats? - and the assumption that these cases weren't around before just not detected? sheesh. Like blaming Sesme Street for dyslexia ... Oh well, maybe everything is over medicalised.  Just more paranoia-guilt to process which leads to more stress than from processed peas I reckon. ;D Perhaps the increase in mass media relates to an increase in mental health problems?! Ha ha. ;D (Not Seroxat I hope?  Nonetheless, in the face of the misdiagnosis, the stats were laughable. I think D&D has been blamed for more suicides. ) |
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Post by Count Überquart on Jan 16, 2006 16:33:15 GMT
I dont think I've eaten properly at school for years... And my accademic acheivement is fine, for the most part my attention is fine (except today... I was in a completely different place - well, in IT I was here...), my behaviour is excellent. (As in, I am ALWAYS the person who gets "A pleasure to teach" at least 3 times on her report....)
This has always been my dad's favourite theory. He says to me "Why did you cut?... maybe you were hungry" and I'm like... "sure dad, whatever..." "Y'know, blood sugar levels..."
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"No... that's DIABETES"
Although... I do think there's a LITTLE truth in it... In SOME cases...
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Post by Goblin King on Jan 16, 2006 16:38:39 GMT
LOL! Classic parent logic.  "No Dad, maybe I hate the world and myself ... mmm doughnuts ..." (15 years of comfort eating later ... "need oil for belly wheels ..." ) Mum is forever telling me to get fresh air ... erm, I march across town at least twice a day. I go to her house and like every other house they've had, it's sealed with the central heating on full. But I'm digressing ... |
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Post by Count Überquart on Jan 16, 2006 16:49:41 GMT
My dad tells me that I need more excercise... I walk more than 2 miles every monday and tuesday, a mile at least on wednesday and thursday and about 2 miles on a saturday... And do badminton on Wednesdays... He also tells me I'm fat one day, and tells me I'm anorexic a few days later... "Yes, dad, and if I was, it would be your fault..." Heh... I am also digressing...
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Post by Thrin on Jan 16, 2006 17:11:19 GMT
LOL! (15 years of comfort eating later ... "need oil for belly wheels ..." ) Haha!! |
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Post by Goblin King on Jan 17, 2006 9:54:56 GMT
Ha parents ... repeating statements made by their parents and then every once in a while they try to think for themselves, beyond the cliche ... and you know what? They blow it. Maybe births send out a brain-damaging psychic pulse to all adults in the vicinty. Maybe be loss of control over the bank balance sends them insane. "But we already bought it some clothes last week, and you fed it yesterday... I need that money for my ISAs and decking ..." Back to food. Yes, too many saturated fats lead to insanity ...back in the Georgian and Victorian era, no-one ever went la-la ... I blame chimneys! |
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Post by Tinkerbell on Jan 17, 2006 16:41:22 GMT
I good diet has lots of benefits.
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Post by Goblin King on Jan 18, 2006 8:55:58 GMT
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Post by Goblin King on Jan 18, 2006 8:57:03 GMT
I good diet has lots of benefits. Malnutrion causes typos. |
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Post by Tinkerbell on Jan 18, 2006 19:44:24 GMT
I good diet has lots of benefits. Malnutrion causes typos. What did I type wrong? I think exercise is important too, but most of all attitude is the key to happiness  |
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Post by xwitchymagicx on Jan 18, 2006 23:33:02 GMT
Well they can f*ck right off if I'm eating FISH! Ew it is poison for the body.
Oh well I have NO saturated fats in my diet. ;D
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Post by barnyjuno on Jan 19, 2006 2:11:27 GMT
There's a few interesting resources www.medchecker.com/?meds=Antidepressantshttp://wwand w.netdoctor.co.uk/diseases/depression/selectiveserotoninreputakeinhibitors_000147.htm (there's a fairly good search function on that site) Thanks for the info- he's on Prozac, by the way. Sorry I didn't get back to you on it, but later that evening I met another chum who was actually prescribed it a few years back, and picked his brains instead. This actually was a guy who I used to work with, and after he left we cleaned out is desk. It was full of Prozac boxes and copies of Guns And Ammo... Which was a pity, because what we really were after were some Post-It notes and a stapler. He's a lot calmer these days. |
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Post by Goblin King on Jan 19, 2006 11:04:39 GMT
;D Hmm ... sounds really stable ... People sometimes have to try different pills - check it's definitely Prozac - there's lots of SSRIs out there now. I'm still taking Efexor XL (venlafaxine) - which is a clever drug because it's a NSRI (Noradrenalin and Serotin Reuptake inhibitor)and prefer that to Citalopram and Lofepramine (one of those was a "Tricyclic"?). Problem is sometimes it can take a while have a positive effect. Similar symptoms occur when starting and ending the medication, those are slight nausea, changes in appetite, constipation, but most of these settle down. They don't suddenly make you happy (they are not "happy" pills" I was very disappointed by that). Often most of these pills "stabilize" moods - you have less lows, and less highs (mania), less babbling thoughts in the head which can help you concentrate but the reverse can also be true - strong dosages of the wrong drugs can create frustration because you find you can't make basic decisions - I believe my pills still help, although I can't be creative in the way I used to be (hard to try to write angry young man novels ... ). The doctors say you can be on them a long time (unlike old fashioned valium - downers and uppers). Some of these drugs (or families of drugs) have now been around for at least 15 years, so compared to some medicines many anti-depressants are considered to be relatively successful. What's interesting is that it's often down the personality of your GP whether or not you get prescribed treatment or therapy for depression. It's often very hard to get any decent information or reassurances out of them, in my experience they shrug a lot when I ask them about comparative effectiveness of pills (during a paranoid phase I genuinely believed I was being given a placebo - imagine that). The good news is that when a person is put on medication or see and psychotherapist, they feel validated and are able to open up to friends about other issues, friends and family then also take the person's problems more seriously, or more commonly are just relieved that this person is finally getting help. So in some ways taking medication is representative of a turning point. The problem is we still believe (with help from the media)that mental health only relates to abuse survivors, or negative stereotypes with which we don't want to associate ourselves. Being prescribed medication can scare some people - many never seek help because they believe they'll be thrown onto a ward, whereas some people or so grateful that they are finally being listened to that can backfire when a person employs it as part of their identity. "I'm on Prozac, I'm mad, me!" When more often the person they are talking to knows someone on the same pills but never refers it, or just accepts it's part of their way of life (like diabetes and asthma). I think some doctors are very aware that medicalising mild depression can sometimes be a bad idea - a possible dependence on pills may effect how that person sees where their life is going. They can be empowering for some people, but for others they are too stigmatized and labeled that they feel they are signing something away forever. blah - I'm babbling now, and I think you know most of this stuff anyway. I hope your friend surviving well. |
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Post by barnyjuno on Jan 19, 2006 13:05:52 GMT
Thanks for the additional info; it's all useful stuff, and you're a deal more coherent than my rather excitable, shooty friend!
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Post by Goblin King on Jan 19, 2006 16:32:15 GMT
*twitches*
You lookin' at me?
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Just more paranoia-guilt to process which leads to more stress than from processed peas I reckon. ;D
Nonetheless, in the face of the misdiagnosis, the stats were laughable. I think D&D has been blamed for more suicides. 
